I just read CWO article on spanking and wanted to share something I was sent a few months ago along with the CWO article.
He started out with this verse:
24He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
Proverbs 13:24
A noted child and family psychologist says spanking a child can be an effective form of discipline, despite a recent study that states otherwise.
A new report titled "A Violent Education: Corporal Punishment of Children in U.S. Public Schools" shows that more than 200,000 children received corporal punishment in U.S. schools. Texas accounted for the majority of the cases, although 21 U.S. states allow the use of corporal punishment. The study was conducted by Humans Rights Watch and the American Civil Liberties Union.
According to a Reuters article on the study, "liberal groups regard corporal punishment as a barbaric relic of an unenlightened past that harms self-esteem and promotes violence." But Dr. Bill Maier, vice president and psychologist in residence with Focus on the Family, has a different perspective.
"Appropriate disciplinary spanking, done in the context of a loving parent-child relationship, is not abusive," he states.
Although Maier says Focus on the Family does not take a position on the use of spanking in school, he does say the practice has positive results when used properly in one's home.
"If it's done in a loving context, if it's followed up by an explanation, there is no evidence that it would harm their self-esteem," he explains. "In fact, we have some evidence that kids who grow up in an extremely permissive environment, in which there are no boundaries, no limits, and no guidelines, ...have a great deal of difficulty with their self-esteem -- and particularly later on in life, because they have such a sense of entitlement that basically the world owes them everything on a silver platter."
Dr. Maier also referenced the American College of Pediatricians, which has done extensive studies on the subject of spanking one's child. In a study posted on its website, the group agrees that disciplinary spanking of young children is an effective tool for parents.
Here is the CWO article:
Question: Hi Candace, I have a question for you. What "discipline" technique do you employ or recommend? I too am a Christian. However, I am quite concerned that many people who want to follow Jesus' teachings are misled. Jesus went against many of the practices that are laid out in the Old Testament. He was a pacifist. Why is it then that Christian parents are taught to hurt their children when it’s clearly not what Jesus taught?
The reason that I ask is because on Kirk's site he promotes the book and videos of Shepherding a Child's Heart, and your forum also talks about the book.
The book demands that the child be hit each time they do something that the parents object to, even when a baby cries about having their diaper changed!
Page 154 “Rebellion can be something as simple as an infant struggling against a diaper change or stiffening his body when you want him to sit on your lap. The discipline procedure is the same as laid out above. You have no way of knowing how much a child a year old or less can understand of what you say, but we do know that understanding comes long before the ability to articulate does….When our oldest child was approximately 8 months old….Obviously he was old enough to be disciplined.”
"Spanking" is a cutesy word for hitting. If an employer spanks his employee he would be arrested.I respect you and wanted your insight--I couldn't ask Kirk about it because he doesn't have this type of forum.
Answer: First I would suggest that parents read Shepherding a Child's Heart for themselves and come to their own conclusion. You pulled an excerpt that sounds misleading. When read in the context of the whole chapter—and the entire book—you would see that there is absolutely, without question, NO abuse. That excerpt was simply talking about our defiant nature—even as young as a baby. It DIDN’T go on to say they should be spanked for not wanting their diaper changed.
A spanking is NEVER done in anger or in rage. It is a loving correction done with explanation and prayer to simply teach a child right from wrong. And please understand that a spanking is not the first resort. When a child is asked to do something and defiantly refuses, it is then that they would be lovingly corrected. As small children, often a second asking is good—something like, "Sara, Mommy asked you to put your toy in the basket." If not responded to again, then correction would be appropriate.
Do you ever have to teach your child to say, "NO! That's MINE! Gimme!"? Of course not. That is the sin nature we are all born with—a selfish, defiant attitude. We have to teach our children to share, to be kind, and unselfish. The Bible fully supports "the rod of correction," but again, never in abuse, anger or for a parent's selfish reasons to control his children.
Jesus did not come against the teachings of the Old Testament, but He fulfilled the "Law," and the practices that the law entailed. We must keep in mind that Jesus is the same God “Yesterday, today and forever.”
I discipline my children by spanking when the situation calls for it. Once a toddler is walking around and getting into things, a slap on the hand is one way they respond to correction. It shouldn't hurt as much as be a surprise, and discomfort to them. This prepares them that the word NO comes with a consequence. Once my children were around 18 months old, and we knew that they could understand our instruction, they were spanked on the bottom if they disobeyed. As my children grow older, we find more creative ways to discipline, allowing the punishment to fit the crime. These types of disciplines are effective and biblical when done in love. It is the responsibility of all parents to teach and train their children.
I sincerely hope you would read Shepherding a Child's Heart in its entirety. The title is so appropriate, because it is a WONDERFUL book that in no way teaches us to abuse our children. It's all about getting to the heart of the matter and guiding them to understanding Godly submission.
Of the 19 chapters in this book, only one is dedicated to "the rod" even explaining common objections.
I hope this has shed some light on my view.
P.S. I also read an interesting article that Dr. James Dobson wrote for Focus on the Family titled, "To Spank or Not to Spank." In it He writes: "Contrary to what you have read in popular literature, this firm but loving approach to child rearing will not harm a toddler or make him violent. To the contrary, it is most likely to produce a healthy, confident child."
So what are you views,opinions,or experiences with disciplining,training,or correcting a child? I'd love to hear,because we are in that process right now.
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4 comments:
We too went through the whole spank/not spank dilemma. We did spank for outright disobedience.
"Parenting with Love and Logic" is a good book. We have the one for toddlers, but I don't remember what it is called. We used that along with spanking.
I also read "Shepherding a child's heart." I would highly recommend "Don't make me count to 3" Even though it is a different author, it has been called the sequel to "Shepherding..." because it teaches how to implement. It is good.
I can say that no matter what method of discipline you use, you need to teach your children that you mean what you say.
We don't really spank anymore because the boys listen to us and we listen to them. It is a constantly evolving process.
We didn't/don't believe in spanking babies. We didn't start spanking until they were almost 2 years old and our 3rd one not until he was 3yo (he wasn't as strong-willed as the first two).
I obviously could write a thesis on this! :)
"If it's done in a loving context, if it's followed up by an explanation, there is no evidence that it would harm their self-esteem," he explains. "In fact, we have some evidence that kids who grow up in an extremely permissive environment, in which there are no boundaries, no limits, and no guidelines, ...have a great deal of difficulty with their self-esteem -- and particularly later on in life, because they have such a sense of entitlement that basically the world owes them everything on a silver platter."
This quote really bothers me, because it is the most common response to the idea of not hitting your kids – that if you don’t spank, you must be a permissive parent. This is so far from the truth. I fully agree with his opinion on permissiveness - it is highly damaging to the child and awful for everyone who has to interact with said child. We do not spank or slap or otherwise hit our child, but he is most certainly not being raised permissively. He knows what "no" means, he knows that there are consequences and that we mean what we say, he knows that he doesn't always get what he wants, and he knows that he is expected to be polite rather than yelling or whining. He is a very good child and we get so many compliments on his behaviour and on the way we deal with him. The alternative to spanking is not permissiveness and it’s frustrating to always see it presented as such.
But I don’t believe it’s whether you spank or don’t spank that matters, but rather the overall way you approach parenting. An adversarial view of parenting (which is also the form of parenting most likely to utilize spanking) might end up with good outward behaviour (for as long as the child can be bullied into doing what the parent tells him to) but it does nothing to reach a child’s heart and effect positive long-term change. It’s not going to teach a child to make the right decision because it’s the right decision, or to make the right decision even when the threat of punishment is removed. It’s not going to teach a child to be honest about his struggles or his failures, but rather to lie and to hide his behaviour. That sort of parenting is, in my opinion, even more damaging than permissive parenting (which I’ve already said is highly damaging itself).
I believe that building a relationship with your child and modeling godly behaviour is going to do far more than forcing them into submission to an authoritarian-style parent (unless your goal is a rebellious child – then by all means!). A child is not the enemy, not the adversary, not something to be forced into obedience, and not something with a will and a spirit that must be broken. Discipline is active teaching, not mere reactions and punishments. It is coming alongside your child to guide them into maturity, not standing above them ready to whip them into submission the second they do something wrong.
But regarding spanking itself, I don’t believe the (many) risks are worth it when there are so many other more effective methods of discipline. I know that the most common response is “I was spanked and I turned out fine”, but that doesn’t negate the very real fact that risks do exist and that there are many people who were spanked are didn’t turn out fine and are still, as adults, dealing with the ramifications of their well-meaning spanking parents. Spanking doesn’t guarantee good kids, it is not the “biblical way” of disciplining (I would argue it’s unbiblical, actually, but that’s a long discussion to get into), and it’s typically not something that lends itself well to building a relationship with your child.
As for spanking babies, even Dobson doesn't recommend that. In Canada, it's not even legal to spank a child under 2 or over 12.
I don't know if this is impinging on some copyright law... but I read a letter to the editor in Parenting magazine several months ago where a mom wrote in: refering to spanking as hitting is like saying that a surgeon stabs people. It's technically correct but completely off due to the intention and the precision application.
Ultimately, God looks at the heart and the children are watered by the attitudes of their parents' hearts. Spanking, time-outs, yelling, rewards/consequences, premissiveness... it can all be done wrong if the heart is wrong and it can be done right or even redeemed for good if the heart is submissive to God.
I too have read both Shepherding a Child's Heart and Don't Make Me Count to Three. Both share great Biblical wisdom of how to discipline children.
Spanking is Biblical, there are no ifs ands or butts about it (I couldn't help myself!). Spanking is the only form of discpline taught about in the Bible, therefore we at least need to consider it when decerning how to teach and raise our children.
Certainly it is not sinful to choose not to spank your child, however, it is clear that spanking is endorsed by God. Because spanking is taught as profitable in God's Word I know that it is the best form of discpline there is. No other discpline can yield results like the form God recommends.
That is certainly not to say that other forms of dsicpline should not be used along side of spanking. Because we are encouraged to use spanking [in the Bible] I know it is the best way to train up our children.
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